imac stop monitor nero e macchina che non si ferma

[Ralphpolo3]

salve,
ho questo problema, quando provo a mettere l'imac in stop mi si spegne il monitor (diventa nero) ma la macchina sento che continua a lavorare.

allego le righe prese dalla console dopo una prova di stop


03/10/11 19:38:08,135 MagicPrefs: *BluetoothSystemWakeEnable on, stopping manually
03/10/11 19:38:08,135 MagicPrefs: --Stopped tracking device <MTDevice 0x101032200 [0x7fff7b54bea0]>.
03/10/11 19:38:08,188 MagicPrefs: Restored mouse tracking speed
03/10/11 19:38:08,189 MagicPrefs: No more devices left, tap destroyed.
03/10/11 19:40:02,000 kernel: Sound assertion "0 == fAudioEngineArray" failed in AppleHDADriver at line 3045 goto Exit
03/10/11 19:40:03,064 MagicPrefs: -No MacBook Glass Trackpad found
03/10/11 19:40:03,065 MagicPrefs: *BluetoothSystemWakeEnable on, starting manually
03/10/11 19:40:03,065 MagicPrefs: ++Started tracking device <MTDevice 0x102869800 [0x7fff7b54bea0]>.
03/10/11 19:40:03,071 MagicPrefs: Set mouse tracking speed to 4
03/10/11 19:40:03,076 airportd: _doAutoJoin: Already associated to “NETGEAR-5G”. Bailing on auto-join.
03/10/11 19:40:03,081 MagicPrefs: Event tap created 0x102432d90
03/10/11 19:40:03,000 kernel: en1: BSSID changed to 30:46:9a:fe:2b:a4
03/10/11 19:40:04,113 MagicPrefs: Launched MagicPrefsPlugins
03/10/11 19:40:05,369 MagicPrefsPlugins: Spotlight query kMDItemDisplayName == '*.MPplugin' did not find anything

[faxus]

Ralphpolo3, è troppo poco e scarsamente significativo.

Che Mac hai, e che SO usi?
Apri Console, vai su System log, metti un contrassegno in fondo alle righe cliccando sulla bandierina del menù.
Poi riavvia e posta tutto, fino alla fine dopo che il Mac si è stabilizzato, non ti preoccupare se sono cento righe, il Forum è bene attrezzato per questo

[Ralphpolo3]

è un imac 27 corei5 2,7 versione OSX 10.7.1


Oct 3 20:06:43 iMac-di- [0x0-0x1c01c].com.apple.Safari[230]: Successfully connected to the Intel plugin
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[184]: Restored mouse tracking speed to 2.000000
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[184]: Not restoring trackpad tracking speed to 0.000000
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[184]: Restored trackpad tracking speed to 0.000000
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- mds[63]: (Error) Server: ==== XPC handleXPCMessage XPC_ERROR_CONNECTION_INVALID
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[130] (com.apple.talagent[149]): Exited: Killed: 9
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[130] ([0x0-0x23023].com.vladalexa.MagicPrefs.MagicPrefsPlugins[251]): Exited: Terminated: 15
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[130] ([0x0-0x1a01a].com.apple.AppleSpell[219]): Exited: Killed: 9
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[130] (com.apple.mdworker.lsb.0[327]): Exited: Terminated: 15
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: 2011-10-03 20:06:50.581 com.apple.dock.extra[330:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: 2011-10-03 20:06:50.582 com.apple.dock.extra[330:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: 2011-10-03 20:06:50.583 com.apple.dock.extra[330:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[330]: 2011-10-03 20:06:50.583 com.apple.dock.extra[330:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- loginwindow[65]: DEAD_PROCESS: 65 console
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- [0x0-0x14014].com.vladalexa.MagicPrefs[184]: *** Recognized (0x70) family*** (10 cols X 15 rows) using raw16bitRange= 617, thresh8bits= 12, zsignal_per_pixelsum= 27
Oct 3 20:06:50: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Oct 3 20:06:50 iMac-di- loginwindow[65]: LWCASProcessNotificationManager UNEXPECTED NOTIFICATION of type: kLSNotifyLaunchFinished
Oct 3 20:06:51 iMac-di- airportd[333]: _doAutoJoin: Already associated to “NETGEAR-5G”. Bailing on auto-join.
Oct 3 20:06:51 iMac-di- shutdown[335]: halt by MC:
Oct 3 20:06:51 iMac-di- shutdown[335]: SHUTDOWN_TIME: 1317665211 112840
Oct 3 20:10:12 localhost bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1317665412 0
Oct 3 20:10:21 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: starting CaptiveNetworkSupport as SystemEventAgent built Jun 13 2011 17:29:21
Oct 3 20:10:21 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CertsKeychainMonitor: configuring
Oct 3 20:10:21 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveSCCopyWiFiDevices:388 WiFi Device Name == NULL
Oct 3 20:10:13 localhost com.apple.launchd[1]: *** launchd[1] has started up. ***
Oct 3 20:10:30 localhost airportd[24]: _processDLILEvent: en1 attached (down)
Oct 3 20:10:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CreateInterfaceWatchList:2788 WiFi Devices Found.
Oct 3 20:10:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptivePublishState:1211 en1 - PreProbe
Oct 3 20:10:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveSCRebuildCache:81 Failed to get service order
Oct 3 20:10:30: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Oct 3 20:10:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptivePublishState:1211 en1 - PreProbe
Oct 3 20:10:33: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Oct 3 20:10:30 localhost configd[16]: bootp_session_transmit: bpf_write(en1) failed: Network is down (50)
Oct 3 20:10:30 localhost configd[16]: DHCP en1: INIT-REBOOT transmit failed
Oct 3 20:10:30 iMac-di- configd[16]: setting hostname to "iMac-di-Matteo-Caboni.local"
Oct 3 20:10:30 iMac-di- configd[16]: network configuration changed.
Oct 3 20:10:32 iMac-di- mDNSResponder[12]: mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-320.5.1 (Aug 3 2011 19:57:38) starting OSXVers 11
Oct 3 20:10:32 iMac-di- systemkeychain[26]: done file: /var/run/systemkeychaincheck.done
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- configd[16]: network configuration changed.
Oct 3 20:10:33: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- mDNSResponder[12]: D2D_IPC: Loaded
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- mDNSResponder[12]: D2DInitialize succeeded
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: ServermgrdRegistration cannot load config data
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: get_backup_share_points no AFP
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- com.apple.ucupdate.plist[50]: ucupdate: Checked 1 update, no match found.
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- com.apple.pfctl[57]: No ALTQ support in kernel
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- com.apple.pfctl[57]: ALTQ related functions disabled
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- com.apple.usbmuxd[49]: usbmuxd-211 built on May 16 2011 at 00:14:56 on May 16 2011 at 00:14:55, running 64 bit
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- mds[59]: (Normal) FMW: FMW 0 0
Oct 3 20:10:33 iMac-di- loginwindow[61]: Login Window Application Started
Oct 3 20:10:34 iMac-di- netbiosd[86]: Unable to start NetBIOS name service:
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- EyeConnect[95]: CGSLookupServerRootPort: Failed to look up the port for "com.apple.windowserver.active" (1102)
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- configd[16]: network configuration changed.
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptivePublishState:1211 en1 - Probe
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CNSPreferences:60 Creating new preferences
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveStartDetect:2343 Bypassing probe on NETGEAR-5G because it is protected and not on the exception list
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptivePublishState:1211 en1 - Unknown
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- configd[16]: network configuration changed.
Oct 3 20:10:35 iMac-di- ntpd[45]: proto: precision = 1.000 usec
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- EPSON_EPL_6200L[90]: kCGErrorRangeCheck: On-demand launch of the Window Server is allowed for root user only.
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- EPSON_EPL_6200L[90]: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged.
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- EPSON_EPL_6200L[90]: CGSLookupServerRootPort: Failed to look up the port for "com.apple.windowserver.active" (1102)
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- EPSON_EPL_6200L[90]: kCGErrorRangeCheck: On-demand launch of the Window Server is allowed for root user only.
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- EPSON_EPL_6200L[90]: CGSLookupServerRootPort: Failed to look up the port for "com.apple.windowserver.active" (1102)
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- loginwindow[61]: **DMPROXY** Found `/System/Library/CoreServices/DMProxy'.
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- com.apple.launchctl.LoginWindow[108]: com.apple.findmymacmessenger: Already loaded
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- airportd[24]: _doAutoJoin: Already associated to “NETGEAR-5G”. Bailing on auto-join.
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- loginwindow[61]: Login Window Started Security Agent
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- WindowServer[85]: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged.
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- ManagedClient[113]: kCGErrorFailure: CGSPackagesGetWorkspaceType: couldn't get workspace type
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- ManagedClient[113]: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged.
Oct 3 20:10:36 iMac-di- SecurityAgent[115]: Echo enabled
Oct 3 20:10:37 iMac-di- SecurityAgent[115]: kCGErrorFailure: CGSPackagesGetWorkspaceType: couldn't get workspace type
Oct 3 20:10:37 iMac-di- SecurityAgent[115]: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged.
Oct 3 20:10:38 iMac-di- BBDaemon[75]: WARNING: The sun_len field of a sockaddr_un structure passed to CFSocketSetAddress was not set correctly using the SUN_LEN macro.
Oct 3 20:10:38: --- last message repeated 2 times ---
Oct 3 20:10:38 iMac-di- BBDaemon[75]: IOBSDNameMatching returned a NULL dictionary.
Oct 3 20:10:43: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Oct 3 20:10:43 iMac-di- SecurityAgent[115]: User info context values set for MC
Oct 3 20:10:49: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Oct 3 20:10:49 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: ServermgrdRegistration cannot load config data
Oct 3 20:10:49 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: ServermgrdRegistration oldConfig is nil during net changed notification
Oct 3 20:10:49 iMac-di- SecurityAgent[115]: Login Window login proceeding
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- loginwindow[61]: Login Window - Returned from Security Agent
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- loginwindow[61]: USER_PROCESS: 61 console
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- airportd[24]: _doAutoJoin: Already associated to “NETGEAR-5G”. Bailing on auto-join.
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchctl.Aqua[136]: launchctl: missing the Label key: /etc/mach_init_per_user.d/com.adobe.SwitchBoard.monitor.plist
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[124] (com.apple.quicklook.32bit): Unknown key for boolean: DisallowDataExecute
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[124] (com.apple.ReportCrash): Falling back to default Mach exception handler. Could not find: com.apple.ReportCrash.Self
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CNSServerRegisterUserAgent:187 new user agent port: 22283
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[137]: FAILURE: Failed to write property list at /var/db/launchd.db/com.apple.launchd.peruser.501/overrides.plist. (Impossibile completare l'operazione. Permesso negato)
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[137]: com.apple.TMLaunchAgent disabled
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[124] (com.plexapp.mediaserver[166]): posix_spawn("/Users/MC/Library/Application Support/Plex/Plex Media Server.app/Contents/MacOS/Plex Media Server", ...): No such file or directory
Oct 3 20:10:50 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[124] (com.plexapp.mediaserver[166]): Exited with code: 1
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[124] (com.apple.CSConfigDotMacCert-ralphpolo@me.com-SharedServices[168]): Exited with code: 1
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- Application Stub[172]: -[AMApplicationRegistry loadDefinitionAtURL:]: No application name for definition at URL file://localhost/Library/Automator/Office.definition/
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- Application Stub[172]: -[AMApplicationRegistry _loadDefinitionsAtURLS:]: Failed to load definition at URL file://localhost/Library/Automator/Office.definition/
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: 2011-10-03 20:10:51.941 com.apple.dock.extra[182:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: 2011-10-03 20:10:51.958 com.apple.dock.extra[182:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: 2011-10-03 20:10:51.960 com.apple.dock.extra[182:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:51 iMac-di- com.apple.dock.extra[182]: 2011-10-03 20:10:51.960 com.apple.dock.extra[182:1707] Could not connect the action buttonPressed: to target of class NSApplication
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- mds[59]: (Normal) FMW: DOUBLE SLASH Delete - p:198 ac:3 am:5c1 t:43795956674
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: Entered INJECT_pthread_entry
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: Installing event loop timer
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: proc: 0x103c1ae5b
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: upp: 0x103c1ae5b
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: InstallEventLoopTimer: 0x7fff8a30f9d2
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: GetMainEventLoop: 0x7fff8a2d0989
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: timer installed!
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: Loading /Library/DropboxHelperTools/Dropbox_u501/DropboxBundle.bundle/Contents/MacOS/DropboxBundle
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: Dropbox: dlopen returned: 0x7f8f5267de90
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- com.apple.Finder[143]: module initializer in main thread?: 1
Oct 3 20:10:56 iMac-di- [0x0-0xf00f].com.elgato.eyetvhelper[175]: EyeTV Helper version 3.5.2 build 306
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Added login item file://localhost/Applications/MagicPrefs.app/
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Driver version 220.62 - 220.62 (220062000000000)
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: There is no Magic Trackpad paired on this machine
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: -No MacBook Glass Trackpad found
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Event tap created 0x101a6ae90
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: +Apple Magic Mouse connected
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: ++Started tracking device <MTDevice 0x102035000 [0x7fff729cbea0]>.
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Set mouse tracking speed to 4
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Magicprefs 2.3.1 (76) loaded on OSX Version 10.7.1 (Build 11B26) by com.apple.loginwindow
Oct 3 20:10:57 iMac-di- com.apple.launchd.peruser.89[123] (com.apple.mdworker.pool.0): Throttling respawn: Will start in 1 seconds
Oct 3 20:11:01 iMac-di- com.apple.loginwindow[61]: iMac di Matteo Caboni
Oct 3 20:11:04 iMac-di- UserEventAgent[11]: CertsKeychainMonitor: ready to process keychain & timer events
Oct 3 20:11:09 iMac-di- EvernoteHelper[176]: No result from Safari loading plugins.
Oct 3 20:11:15 iMac-di- Mail[213]: Using V2 Layout
Oct 3 20:11:18 iMac-di- pbs[216]: Malformed Services entries in Info.plist for Service at URL /Applications/Singular.app
The value for key NSKeyEquivalent was supposed to be of type NSDictionary, but instead it was of type NSString
Oct 3 20:12:31 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: *BluetoothSystemWakeEnable on, stopping manually
Oct 3 20:12:31 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: --Stopped tracking device <MTDevice 0x102035000 [0x7fff729cbea0]>.
Oct 3 20:12:31 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Restored mouse tracking speed
Oct 3 20:12:31 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: No more devices left, tap destroyed.
Oct 3 20:13:15 iMac-di- airportd[242]: _doAutoJoin: Already associated to “NETGEAR-5G”. Bailing on auto-join.
Oct 3 20:13:15 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: -No MacBook Glass Trackpad found
Oct 3 20:13:15 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: *BluetoothSystemWakeEnable on, starting manually
Oct 3 20:13:15 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: ++Started tracking device <MTDevice 0x102899200 [0x7fff729cbea0]>.
Oct 3 20:13:15 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Set mouse tracking speed to 4
Oct 3 20:13:15 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Event tap created 0x10026d190
Oct 3 20:13:16 iMac-di- MagicPrefs[178]: Launched MagicPrefsPlugins
Oct 3 20:13:19 iMac-di- MagicPrefsPlugins[247]: Spotlight query kMDItemDisplayName == '*.MPplugin' did not find anything
Oct 3 20:13:44 iMac-di- com.apple.backupd[264]: Starting standard backup
Oct 3 20:13:44 iMac-di- com.apple.backupd[264]: Error -35 while resolving alias to backup target
Oct 3 20:13:54 iMac-di- com.apple.backupd[264]: Backup failed with error: 19
Oct 3 20:14:02 iMac-di- helpd[159]: CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): Old-style plist parser: missing semicolon in dictionary.

[faxus]

Ho riletto il log con attenzione e fatto ricerche.

Vedo solo cose trascurabili in avvio, nulla in chiusura.
I tempi sono normali, qualche secondo in più in apertura dove dovresti solo togliere qualche impostazione di applicazioni ed utilità disinstallate, ma non sono problemi.

Cosa significa esattamente "la macchina sento che continua a lavorare."?

[Ralphpolo3]

quanto mettevo il computer in stop e come se si spegneva tutto. (niente rumori ne ventole che girano)
mentre ora si spegne il monitor però le ventole continuano a girare e si sente l'hardick che gira.

[faxus]

Giusto infatti, dovrebbe essere di colpo in assoluto riposo.

Non è che, magari, un reset della PRAM o del SMC risove?.
Proverei, visto che il problema non sembra essere lato software

[Ralphpolo3]

appena fatti, sempre uguale.
ma e da due tre giorni che noto questa cosa.
ha sempre funzionato benissimo.
provo a mandarlo in sto e farlo ripartire e posto le righe della console?

[faxus]

Stavo rileggendo...

Prova a mettere in stop dopo aver chiuso MagicPreferences

[Ralphpolo3]

nulla.
ho chiuso tutte le applicazioni e il problema persiste

[faxus]

Uhm, strano.

Posta solo le righe relative allo stop con MagicPrefrences disattivato, come hai fatto all'inizio.
Sto vedendo che ha dei problemi con la path del plugin principale e non riesce a risolvere un errore